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Jesus is quoting directly from the Septuagint

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	William Branham puts great stock in the fact the Jesus uses the future tense. However, the verb ἀποκαταστήσει, “will restore,” '''is drawn verbatim''' from the LXX of Mal 3:23 (Mal 4:6 in the KJV), where, however, the object clause is “the heart of the father to the son and the heart of a man to his neighbor” (the Hebrew of Mal 4:6 is only slightly different).		William Branham puts great stock in the fact the Jesus uses the future tense. However, the verb ἀποκαταστήσει, “will restore,” '''is drawn verbatim''' from the LXX of Mal 3:23 (Mal 4:6 in the KJV), where, however, the object clause is “the heart of the father to the son and the heart of a man to his neighbor” (the Hebrew of Mal 4:6 is only slightly different).

	The future tense, therefore, does not suggest that Jesus expects a future return of ~~John the Baptist~~. The restoration of “everything” (πάντα) must here refer not to the renewal of the present order itself (which would make Elijah the Messiah himself, rather than the forerunner of the Messiah), as, for example, apparently in Acts 1:6 (and compare especially the cognate noun ἀποκατάστασις, “restoration” or “establishing,” in Acts 3:21 in an allusion to the return of Jesus), but to a preparatory work of repentance and renewal (as in the Malachi passage; see especially Luke 1:17).		The future tense, therefore, does not suggest that Jesus expects a future return of Elijah. The restoration of “everything” (πάντα) must here refer not to the renewal of the present order itself (which would make Elijah the Messiah himself, rather than the forerunner of the Messiah), as, for example, apparently in Acts 1:6 (and compare especially the cognate noun ἀποκατάστασις, “restoration” or “establishing,” in Acts 3:21 in an allusion to the return of Jesus), but to a preparatory work of repentance and renewal (as in the Malachi passage; see especially Luke 1:17).

	Only an interpretation of this kind can make possible Jesus’ identification of John the Baptist with Elijah in the verse that follows. In short, Jesus responds initially by fully agreeing with the scribes in their understanding of Malachi’s prophecy that Elijah is to come and accomplish his preparatory work. It is only in his conclusion that the passage is fulfilled with John the Baptist that Jesus parts company with the scribes.		Only an interpretation of this kind can make possible Jesus’ identification of John the Baptist with Elijah in the verse that follows. In short, Jesus responds initially by fully agreeing with the scribes in their understanding of Malachi’s prophecy that Elijah is to come and accomplish his preparatory work. It is only in his conclusion that the passage is fulfilled with John the Baptist that Jesus parts company with the scribes.

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	It is true that before John’s birth, an angel prophesied to his father, Zechariah, that John would “go on before the Lord in the spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17). John the Baptist denied being “Elijah” to counter the expectation (that was held by the Pharisees in his day) that the same Elijah who escaped death in a fiery chariot would return in like spectacular manner.<ref>Andreas J. Köstenberger, John, Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2004), 60.</ref>		It is true that before John’s birth, an angel prophesied to his father, Zechariah, that John would “go on before the Lord in the spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17). John the Baptist denied being “Elijah” to counter the expectation (that was held by the Pharisees in his day) that the same Elijah who escaped death in a fiery chariot would return in like spectacular manner.<ref>Andreas J. Köstenberger, John, Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2004), 60.</ref>

	==What did John the Baptist restore?==		=What did John the Baptist restore?=

	Let’s first look at the Greek. The Greek phrase in Matthew 17:11 to “restore all things” is “αποκαταστησει παντα”.		Let’s first look at the Greek. The Greek phrase in Matthew 17:11 to “restore all things” is “αποκαταστησει παντα”.
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	Followers of the message have similar pre-conceptions to the Pharisees. They see the truth only unfolding in one way and thus miss what God is doing in the world today.		Followers of the message have similar pre-conceptions to the Pharisees. They see the truth only unfolding in one way and thus miss what God is doing in the world today.

	==Do message followers think William Branham restored all things?==		=Do message followers think William Branham restored all things?=

	While message ministers used to say that William Branham "restored all things", they generally have tempered this statement significantly. They now say things such as:		While message ministers used to say that William Branham "restored all things", they generally have tempered this statement significantly. They now say things such as:

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	:''These stars falling into their constellation back yonder! That Angel coming, and said, “As John was sent to wind up the Old Testament and to bring forth the introduction of Christ, '''a Message will wind up the loose ends and will introduce the Messiah''' just before His Coming, the Message of the last days.”<ref>William Branham, 62-1230E - Is This The Sign Of The End, Sir?, para. 268, 289, 353, 363</ref>		:''These stars falling into their constellation back yonder! That Angel coming, and said, “As John was sent to wind up the Old Testament and to bring forth the introduction of Christ, '''a Message will wind up the loose ends and will introduce the Messiah''' just before His Coming, the Message of the last days.”<ref>William Branham, 62-1230E - Is This The Sign Of The End, Sir?, para. 268, 289, 353, 363</ref>


	:''And at the end of the Pentecostal age, we are supposed to receive, according to the Word, as God help me tonight to show you, through here, that we are to see, receive '''a messenger that will take all those loose ends out there and reveal the whole secret of God''', for the rapturing of the Church.<ref>William Branham, 63-0318 - The First Seal, para. 74</ref>		:''And at the end of the Pentecostal age, we are supposed to receive, according to the Word, as God help me tonight to show you, through here, that we are to see, receive '''a messenger that will take all those loose ends out there and reveal the whole secret of God''', for the rapturing of the Church.<ref>William Branham, 63-0318 - The First Seal, para. 74</ref>

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	:''Bro. Branham brought a restorative message to our generation by pulling the loose ends together...<ref>podtail.com/en/podcast/the-message-of-the-hour-bro-william-branham/</ref>		:''Bro. Branham brought a restorative message to our generation by pulling the loose ends together...<ref>podtail.com/en/podcast/the-message-of-the-hour-bro-william-branham/</ref>

	The above is a direct reference to ~~a statement~~ that William Branham made:		The above is a direct reference to repeated statements that William Branham made about himself:

	:''But, God comes in the Power of His resurrection! And who is going to speak against It? If Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, He does the same that He did yesterday, today, and forever. That’s what this angel is supposed to do, take them mysteries, '''them loose ends that people run out on.'''		:''But, God comes in the Power of His resurrection! And who is going to speak against It? If Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, He does the same that He did yesterday, today, and forever. That’s what this angel is supposed to do, take them mysteries, '''them loose ends that people run out on.'''
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	:''And at the end of the Pentecostal age, we are supposed to receive, according to the Word, as God help me tonight to show you, through here, that we are to see, receive '''a messenger that will take all those loose ends out there and reveal the whole secret of God''', for the rapturing of the Church.<ref>William Branham, 63-0318 - The First Seal, para. 74</ref>		:''And at the end of the Pentecostal age, we are supposed to receive, according to the Word, as God help me tonight to show you, through here, that we are to see, receive '''a messenger that will take all those loose ends out there and reveal the whole secret of God''', for the rapturing of the Church.<ref>William Branham, 63-0318 - The First Seal, para. 74</ref>

			But did William Branham restore anything?

			We believe the evidence shows that he did not. What he brought was such confusion that his followers constitute a bizarre legacy of multiple fractured sub-cults that all think they have the truth.

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	==Do message followers think William Branham restored all things?==		==Do message followers think William Branham restored all things?==

			While message ministers used to say that William Branham "restored all things", they generally have tempered this statement significantly. They now say things such as:

			:''Bro. Branham brought a restorative message to our generation by pulling the loose ends together...<ref>podtail.com/en/podcast/the-message-of-the-hour-bro-william-branham/</ref>

			The above is a direct reference to a statement that William Branham made:

			:''But, God comes in the Power of His resurrection! And who is going to speak against It? If Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, He does the same that He did yesterday, today, and forever. That’s what this angel is supposed to do, take them mysteries, '''them loose ends that people run out on.'''

			:''Now watch. There is a lot of Truth lost out there, (why?) where others compromised on Truth. But this seventh angel don’t compromise on nothing. '''He gathers up all the loose ends''', gathers them all up. And at his sounding, “All the mystery of God should be finished.” Oh! God, send him. All of the hidden mysteries was finished when, he, It was revealed to him. By what? If these are hidden mysteries, the man will have to be a prophet. And didn’t we just get through and see that the prophet, that would come in the last age, would be that great Elijah that we been looking for? Because, these mysteries that’s hid, through the theologians, will have to be revealed; to God. And the Word comes only to the prophet. [“Amen.”] And we know it. He will be the second Elijah, as promised. Oh, my! The Message he—he’ll bring will be the mysteries, all, all these things.

			:''Now is It plain? When the First Seal was opened, the Seals that was inside the Book, these mysteries that was sounded forth: justification, sanctification, Roman Catholic church, Protestants! And when all their little battles and things left '''these loose ends in the Word of God''', the seventh angel comes on and gathers them all up and explains them. See? And then, he finishes, Seven Thunders utter out.

			:''These stars falling into their constellation back yonder! That Angel coming, and said, “As John was sent to wind up the Old Testament and to bring forth the introduction of Christ, '''a Message will wind up the loose ends and will introduce the Messiah''' just before His Coming, the Message of the last days.”<ref>William Branham, 62-1230E - Is This The Sign Of The End, Sir?, para. 268, 289, 353, 363</ref>


			:''And at the end of the Pentecostal age, we are supposed to receive, according to the Word, as God help me tonight to show you, through here, that we are to see, receive '''a messenger that will take all those loose ends out there and reveal the whole secret of God''', for the rapturing of the Church.<ref>William Branham, 63-0318 - The First Seal, para. 74</ref>

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	Followers of the message have similar pre-conceptions to the Pharisees. They see the truth only unfolding in one way and thus miss what God is doing in the world today.		Followers of the message have similar pre-conceptions to the Pharisees. They see the truth only unfolding in one way and thus miss what God is doing in the world today.

	==~~Did~~ message followers think William Branham restored all things?==		==Do message followers think William Branham restored all things?==

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What did John the Baptist restore?

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What did John the Baptist restore?

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 Ulrich Luz, Matthew: A Commentary, ed. Helmut Koester, Hermeneia—a Critical and Historical Commentary on the Bible (Minneapolis, MN: Augsburg, 2001), 400.
 The idea that Elijah would preach repentance was presumably common and can also be seen in Revelation 11:1–13.
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 But while some of the people had recognized the validity of John’s message, most of those in positions of religious leadership in Jerusalem had not (see Matthew 21:25, 32).  If Jesus is carrying on where John left off, he cannot expect to meet with any better treatment at the hands of those who are threatened by their reforming zeal (though in Jesus’ case they will in fact be different hands; the vague “at their hands” leaves the reader with a sense of generalized opposition). So the appearance of Elijah on the mountain, while it has testified to the heavenly glory and authority of the Messiah, is also (through the experience of John, the second Elijah) a pointer to the earthly fate of the Messiah which he has so graphically predicted in Matthew 16:21.<ref>R. T. France, The Gospel of Matthew, The New International Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publication Co., 2007), 654–655.</ref>
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 Followers of the message have similar pre-conceptions to the Pharisees.  They see the truth only unfolding in one way and thus miss what God is doing in the world today.

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Relevant Biblical Passages

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	'''NET'''		'''NET'''

	:''He said to them, “Elijah does indeed come first, and restores all things. And why is it written that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be despised? But I tell you that Elijah has certainly come, and they did to him whatever they wanted, just as it is written about him.”		:''He said to them, “Elijah does indeed come first, and restores all things. And why is it written that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be despised? But I tell you that Elijah has certainly come, and they did to him whatever they wanted, just as it is written about him.”<ref>Biblical Studies Press, The NET Bible First Edition; Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible (Biblical Studies Press, 2005), Mk 9:12–13.</ref>

	Biblical Studies Press, The NET Bible First Edition; Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible (Biblical Studies Press, 2005), Mk 9:12–13.

	=Does William Branham have the proper interpretation?=		=Does William Branham have the proper interpretation?=

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Relevant Biblical Passages

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	:''He answered, “Elijah does indeed come first and will restore all things. And I tell you that Elijah has already come. Yet they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wanted. In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them about John the Baptist.<ref>Biblical Studies Press, The NET Bible First Edition; Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible, Mt 17:11–13 (Biblical Studies Press, 2006).</ref>		:''He answered, “Elijah does indeed come first and will restore all things. And I tell you that Elijah has already come. Yet they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wanted. In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them about John the Baptist.<ref>Biblical Studies Press, The NET Bible First Edition; Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible, Mt 17:11–13 (Biblical Studies Press, 2006).</ref>

	We also must consider Mark 9: 12-13:		We also must consider Mark 9:12-13:

	'''KJV'''		'''KJV'''