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	This is scriptural as Jesus said:		This is scriptural as Jesus said:

	:'' If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. ~~47 If~~ you are kind only to your friends,* how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.<ref>Tyndale House Publishers, Holy Bible: New Living Translation, 3rd ed. (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, 2007), Mt 5:46–47.</ref>		:''If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends,* how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.<ref>Tyndale House Publishers, Holy Bible: New Living Translation, 3rd ed. (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, 2007), Mt 5:46–47.</ref>

	But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.		But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.
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	We understand that some of these specific instances don't apply to everyone. But it does correctly characterize the nature of [[The Message\|the message]].		We understand that some of these specific instances don't apply to everyone. But it does correctly characterize the nature of [[The Message\|the message]].

	When a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is terribly wrong and deceptive.		When a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is terribly wrong and deceptive.


	=Quotes of William Branham=		=Quotes of William Branham=

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	There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.		There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.

	=William Branham taught that it is important to draw a bigger circle=		==William Branham taught that it is important to draw a bigger circle==

	On the surface, message believers talk about perfect love, the water rising and the ducks swimming together, draw the circle bigger, put your arms around your brothers, and [[The Importance of a Right Spirit\|having the right spirit rather than wrong doctrine]].		On the surface, message believers talk about perfect love, the water rising and the ducks swimming together, draw the circle bigger, put your arms around your brothers, and [[The Importance of a Right Spirit\|having the right spirit rather than wrong doctrine]].

			This is scriptural as Jesus said:

			:'' If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47 If you are kind only to your friends,* how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.<ref>Tyndale House Publishers, Holy Bible: New Living Translation, 3rd ed. (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, 2007), Mt 5:46–47.</ref>

	But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.		But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.

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	But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.		But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.

	In message pastors preach to their congregations, it's all about Cain versus Abel, [[Serpent Seed]], hate the 'foolish virgin', being one-in-a-million, a called-out of the church, yelling that denominations are of the devil, claiming we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, and on it goes.		In message pastors preach to their congregations, it's all about Cain versus Abel, [[The Serpent's Seed]], hate the 'foolish virgin', being one-in-a-million, a called-out of the church, yelling that denominations are of the devil, claiming we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, and on it goes.

	When you shake hands with most message believers, you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.		When you shake hands with most message believers, you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.

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	There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.		There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.

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	''Like a man had a corn field. A fellow kept saying... He had one field, plants off this way; another one this way. And so a fellow flying over, every morning, would look at that cornfield. He said, "Isn't that a fine cornfield here, and one there!" After the corn got a little higher, reached all the way across the fence, it looked like one field. '''So I hope it gets that way here, that we're one great, big heart-to-heart cornfield for God's Kingdom.'''<ref>THE.IDENTIFIED.CHRIST.OF.ALL.AGES_ LOUISVILLE.MS WEDNESDAY_ 64-0401</ref>		''Like a man had a corn field. A fellow kept saying... He had one field, plants off this way; another one this way. And so a fellow flying over, every morning, would look at that cornfield. He said, "Isn't that a fine cornfield here, and one there!" After the corn got a little higher, reached all the way across the fence, it looked like one field. '''So I hope it gets that way here, that we're one great, big heart-to-heart cornfield for God's Kingdom.'''<ref>THE.IDENTIFIED.CHRIST.OF.ALL.AGES_ LOUISVILLE.MS WEDNESDAY_ 64-0401</ref>

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	But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.		But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.

	~~But in~~ message ~~churches, when their~~ pastors preach to their congregations - it's all Cain versus Abel, [[Serpent Seed]], ~~slam~~ the 'foolish virgin', one-in-a-million, called-out of the church, denominations are of the devil, we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, and on it goes.		In message pastors preach to their congregations, it's all about Cain versus Abel, [[Serpent Seed]], hate the 'foolish virgin', being one-in-a-million, a called-out of the church, yelling that denominations are of the devil, claiming we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, and on it goes.

	When you shake hands with most message believers, you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.		When you shake hands with most message believers, you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.

	So many message pastors talk about "love" in the pulpit, while also preaching that everyone outside their doors are cannon fodder, whores, perverts and fools. They all know the quotes about drawing a bigger circle but they mean nothing beyond lip service.		So many message pastors talk about "love" in the pulpit, while also preaching that everyone outside their doors are cannon fodder, whores, perverts and fools. Smiles in the grocery store become statements like "nuke 'em 'till they glow!'' once they are behind the pulpit. They all know the quotes about drawing a bigger circle but they mean nothing beyond lip service.

	We understand that ~~this is a generalization and does not~~ apply to everyone. But it does correctly characterize the nature of [[The Message\|the message]].		We understand that some of these specific instances don't apply to everyone. But it does correctly characterize the nature of [[The Message\|the message]].

			When a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is terribly wrong and deceptive.

	~~When a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is terribly wrong.~~

	=Quotes of William Branham=		=Quotes of William Branham=

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	There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.		There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.

			=William Branham taught that it is important to draw a bigger circle=

	On the surface, message believers talk about perfect love, the water rising and the ducks swimming together, draw the circle bigger, put your arms around your brothers, and [[The Importance of a Right Spirit\|having the right spirit rather than wrong doctrine]].		On the surface, message believers talk about perfect love, the water rising and the ducks swimming together, draw the circle bigger, put your arms around your brothers, and [[The Importance of a Right Spirit\|having the right spirit rather than wrong doctrine]].

			But when you look at their actions, they don't really believe any of these quotes of William Branham because they don't practice them.

	But in message churches, when their pastors preach to their congregations - it's all Cain versus Abel, [[Serpent Seed]], slam the 'foolish virgin', one-in-a-million, called-out of the church, denominations are of the devil, we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, and on it goes.		But in message churches, when their pastors preach to their congregations - it's all Cain versus Abel, [[Serpent Seed]], slam the 'foolish virgin', one-in-a-million, called-out of the church, denominations are of the devil, we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, and on it goes.
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	When you shake hands with most message believers, you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.		When you shake hands with most message believers, you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.

	So many message pastors talk about "love" in the pulpit, while also preaching that everyone outside their doors are cannon fodder, whores, perverts and fools. They all know the quotes ~~below~~ but they mean nothing beyond lip service.		So many message pastors talk about "love" in the pulpit, while also preaching that everyone outside their doors are cannon fodder, whores, perverts and fools. They all know the quotes about drawing a bigger circle but they mean nothing beyond lip service.

	We understand that this is a generalization and does not apply to everyone. But it does correctly characterize the nature of [[The Message\|the message]].		We understand that this is a generalization and does not apply to everyone. But it does correctly characterize the nature of [[The Message\|the message]].

	~~What is important to note is that when~~ a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is terribly wrong.		When a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is terribly wrong.

	=Quotes of William Branham=		=Quotes of William Branham=

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			There are a few things that William Braham taught that followers of William Branham simply do not believe in any practical sense.

	~~spiritually "bi-polar"~~.		On the surface, message believers talk about perfect love, the water rising and the ducks swimming together, draw the circle bigger, put your arms around your brothers, and [[The Importance of a Right Spirit\|having the right spirit rather than wrong doctrine]].

	~~On the surface (like~~ when ~~WMB was outside of Jeffersonville)~~, ~~they quote~~ the ~~good stuff about perfect love~~, the ~~water rising and~~ the ~~ducks swimming together~~, ~~draw~~ the ~~circle bigger~~, ~~put your arms around your brothers~~, ~~have the right spirit rather than wrong doctrine, etc~~.		But in message churches, when their pastors preach to their congregations - it's all Cain versus Abel, [[Serpent Seed]], slam the 'foolish virgin', one-in-a-million, called-out of the church, denominations are of the devil, we are the elect, be not unequally yoked, and on it goes.

	~~But back in~~ the ~~camp and behind closed doors - it's Cain vs Abel~~, ~~serpent seed, slam the 'ecumenicalists~~'~~, one-in-a-million, called-out of the~~ church~~, denominations are of the devil, we are~~ the ~~elect, be not unequally yoked, etc~~.		When you shake hands with most message believers, you KNOW behind the smile, they'd sooner see your church crumble and you fall into the ditch.

	~~It's why it feels so sickening to shake hands with someone when you KNOW behind~~ the ~~smile~~, ~~they'd sooner see your church crumble~~ and ~~you fall into~~ the ~~ditch~~.		So many message pastors talk about "love" in the pulpit, while also preaching that everyone outside their doors are cannon fodder, whores, perverts and fools. They all know the quotes below but they mean nothing beyond lip service.

	~~I've seen so many pastors talk about "love" in the pulpit, while knowing they think~~ everyone ~~outside their doors are cannon fodder, whores, perverts and fools~~. ~~Who cares if you can quote those sweet '~~message~~' quotes - they mean nothing beyond lip service~~.		We understand that this is a generalization and does not apply to everyone. But it does correctly characterize the nature of [[The Message\|the message]].

	~~Of course - that never applies to EVERYONE. But it correctly characterizes the nature of the message.~~		What is important to note is that when a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is terribly wrong.


	What ~~I have observed~~ is ~~that what is said from the Pulpit among message crowds~~ is ~~vastly different from what they say to others in public. I was just talking with Jenny today, and i said~~ that when a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is wrong. I remember being conflicted about this very thing a number of times while in the message. It also really bothers me to see the put-on and show of kindness and love, when you know what has been said behind the person's back. Joshua Keith spoke of this on a recent post regarding his former pastor and a Baptist friend of his. Jenny and I have experienced it first hand from our former pastor regarding us personally. Where is the integrity?

	=Quotes of William Branham=		=Quotes of William Branham=
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	''“If I belong to the Assemblies of God, I'd be Assemblies of God. If I belong to the Foursquare, I'd be Foursquare. See? But '''I'd always want to reach my arms out for each one (See?), get them all together. See? That--that's it, fellowship one with another.''' That way I've been misunderstood.”<ref>LIFE_ SALEM_OR 07-19-62 Breakfast</ref>		''“If I belong to the Assemblies of God, I'd be Assemblies of God. If I belong to the Foursquare, I'd be Foursquare. See? But '''I'd always want to reach my arms out for each one (See?), get them all together. See? That--that's it, fellowship one with another.''' That way I've been misunderstood.”<ref>LIFE_ SALEM_OR 07-19-62 Breakfast</ref>

			''Reminds me of a fellow, one time, had some ducks, and he--he cut their wings so they couldn't fly out of a pen. He had some ducks on one side, and ducks on the other. Water begin to come in. The first thing you know, the water got higher and higher, and ducks got together then. See? That's what we need to do. Let the waters go to rising, and then the ducks get together, you see, then. '''And we're all in the same water. So, denominational barriers can be floated out, if we'll just let the waters get deep enough.'''

			''Like a man had a corn field. A fellow kept saying... He had one field, plants off this way; another one this way. And so a fellow flying over, every morning, would look at that cornfield. He said, "Isn't that a fine cornfield here, and one there!" After the corn got a little higher, reached all the way across the fence, it looked like one field. '''So I hope it gets that way here, that we're one great, big heart-to-heart cornfield for God's Kingdom.'''<ref>THE.IDENTIFIED.CHRIST.OF.ALL.AGES_ LOUISVILLE.MS WEDNESDAY_ 64-0401</ref>

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	What I have observed is that what is said from the Pulpit among message crowds is vastly different from what they say to others in public. I was just talking with Jenny today, and i said that when a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is wrong. I remember being conflicted about this very thing a number of times while in the message. It also really bothers me to see the put-on and show of kindness and love, when you know what has been said behind the person's back. Joshua Keith spoke of this on a recent post regarding his former pastor and a Baptist friend of his. Jenny and I have experienced it first hand from our former pastor regarding us personally. Where is the integrity?		What I have observed is that what is said from the Pulpit among message crowds is vastly different from what they say to others in public. I was just talking with Jenny today, and i said that when a pastor will not articulate what he really believes to an outsider, that is a sign that something is wrong. I remember being conflicted about this very thing a number of times while in the message. It also really bothers me to see the put-on and show of kindness and love, when you know what has been said behind the person's back. Joshua Keith spoke of this on a recent post regarding his former pastor and a Baptist friend of his. Jenny and I have experienced it first hand from our former pastor regarding us personally. Where is the integrity?

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	:'~~'This man~~ said, "~~I'm..~~. We~~'re drawing a little ring~~, ~~and we're drawing you~~ out of our circle."		A certain organization the other day, because that I let another minister set on the platform that didn't belong to their organization, he said, "We have drawed a line. We have drawed you out of it, Brother Branham, out of, out of our circle."

	~~:''~~I said, "~~Then~~ I'm ~~going to draw a little ring~~, ~~and draw~~ you back in again." ~~See? So~~ I~~... That's it~~, ~~bring~~ you ~~right back. I... You~~ can't ~~put~~ me out~~, 'cause God put me in~~. ~~See? So you can't--can't put me out, so that~~'s ~~the way we're going to do~~. ~~See? Believe that.~~		I said, "'''I'm drawing another one, so big... take you back in again.'''" I said, "So you just can't push me out." That's right. "I'll draw a line right over the top of yours and take you right back." See?
	~~You~~'re a ~~wonderful group of brothers. Bless be~~ the ~~tie that binds our hearts in Christian love. The fellowship~~ of ~~kindred minds, is that--like to that above~~.~~<ref>FROM.THAT.TIME_ BLOOMINGTON.IL 61-0415B</ref>~~

	~~He said,~~ "~~You know what~~ we ~~are going to do?" Said,~~ "We're ~~drawing a little ring and drawing you right out~~ of ~~our circle~~."		That's for... '''We are brethren. "We are not divided; all one body are we."''' Right. We're Christians, borned of His Spirit, washed in His blood. We are Christians. We should act like Christians; we should behave ourselves like Christians, men and women. '''Let me tell you that that's one thing the church is lacking today, is behaving itself like Christians. We go around and act like dead flies.''' It's terrible. No faith--not enough, if it was ink, to dot an "I." We just strictly have lost something. What we ought to do is have our shoulders back.<ref>EXPECTATION_ TUCSON.AZ SUNDAY_ 61-0205M</ref>
	~~Then I said~~, ~~"I'm going to draw another one~~ and ~~draw you right back in again~~.~~" So I said, "You can~~'~~t draw~~ me ~~out, 'cause I love~~ you~~. See, you just can't do it." I said, "There~~'s ~~too many of your brethren out there that love me and believe in me." I said~~, ~~"You~~..~~. I~~'~~ll--I~~'~~ll... They~~'~~ll come anyhow~~.~~" I said~~, ~~"They'll come~~, ~~and you can't draw me out. If you draw me out, I'll draw you back in.~~" I ~~said...?..~~. "~~When you make one circle, God, by His grace, will let me draw another one and pull you right back in~~.~~" That's right. Draw them right~~ back ~~again.~~..

	~~THE~~.~~GODHEAD~~.~~EXPLAINED_ CHICAGO~~.~~IL V-2 N-24 TUESDAY_ 61-0425B~~		''This man said, "I'm... We're drawing a little ring, and we're drawing you out of our circle."

	:''“If I belong to the Assemblies of God, I'd be Assemblies of God. If I belong to the Foursquare, I'd be Foursquare. See? But I'd always want to reach my arms out for each one (See?), get them all together. See? That--that's it, fellowship one with another. That way I've been misunderstood.~~”LIFE_~~ SALEM_OR 07-19-62 Breakfast		'''''I said, "Then I'm going to draw a little ring, and draw you back in again."''' See? So I... That's it, bring you right back. I... You can't put me out, 'cause God put me in. See? So you can't--can't put me out, so that's the way we're going to do. See? Believe that. You're a wonderful group of brothers. Bless be the tie that binds our hearts in Christian love. The fellowship of kindred minds, is that--like to that above.<ref>FROM.THAT.TIME_ BLOOMINGTON.IL 61-0415B</ref>

			''He said, "You know what we are going to do?" Said, "We're drawing a little ring and drawing you right out of our circle."

			''Then I said, "I'm going to draw another one and draw you right back in again." So I said, "'''You can't draw me out, 'cause I love you.''' See, you just can't do it." I said, "There's too many of your brethren out there that love me and believe in me." I said, "You... I'll--I'll... They'll come anyhow." I said, "They'll come, and you can't draw me out. If you draw me out, I'll draw you back in." I said...?... '''"When you make one circle, God, by His grace, will let me draw another one and pull you right back in."''' That's right. Draw them right back again...<ref>THE.GODHEAD.EXPLAINED_ CHICAGO.IL 61-0425B</ref>

			''“If I belong to the Assemblies of God, I'd be Assemblies of God. If I belong to the Foursquare, I'd be Foursquare. See? But '''I'd always want to reach my arms out for each one (See?), get them all together. See? That--that's it, fellowship one with another.''' That way I've been misunderstood.”<ref>LIFE_ SALEM_OR 07-19-62 Breakfast</ref>

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 You're a wonderful group of brothers. Bless be the tie that binds our hearts in Christian love. The fellowship of kindred minds, is that--like to that above.<ref>FROM.THAT.TIME_  BLOOMINGTON.IL  61-0415B</ref>
 :''“If I belong to the Assemblies of God, I'd be Assemblies of God. If I belong to the Foursquare, I'd be Foursquare. See? But I'd always want to reach my arms out for each one (See?), get them all together. See? That--that's it, fellowship one with another. That way I've been misunderstood.”LIFE_ SALEM_OR 07-19-62 Breakfast